ISLIP

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Station - view E c.1908 Korten colorization post card

Islip Freight Sightings:   
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Islip Dater-die

South Side R.R. Depot built: 1868
LIRR: 2nd depot built: 1881, razed: 12/1963
3rd depot dedication and opening: 12/7/1963 (Brad Phillips info) 
Agency closed: ?
Building remodeled: 1997

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1st train direct from Penn Station out to Islip: 9/8/1910. Info: Dave Keller
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South Side Railroad - Islip 1868 On
S.S.R.R timetable of May 20, 1868
   
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Islip c. early 1870's

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Islip 1905 post card view S
Collection: John Fusto


Sanborn Islip 1909 Freight  House Area
1909

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  Emery drawing from 1902 Hyde Map
Collection: Stony Brook, NY

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Islip Hyde Map 1915
Collection: Stony Brook, NY

 

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Islip Ave. crossing and LILCO Substation View east from moving train c.1925
Collection: Dave Keller

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South Shore Islip Township
c. early 1870's 

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Islip 1908 view NE
Collection: Stony Brook University, NY Thanks to: Dave Morrision 
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LIRR Islip Land Plan 
1915 - 1919/20 for the valuation maps
Collection: Art Huneke
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Dave Keller Concept Table Location
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LIRR Islip Land Plan Property Owners
c.
1915 - 1919/20
Collection: Art Huneke

The above are parts of the LIRR Land Plan. The ROW was about 66 feet wide, but on the north side the property runs diagonally to a width of about 125 feet. Room for a turntable, but not a wye.

Forty years ago. I met a Mrs. Foley who lived on Commack Road or Wingan-Hauppaugue Road near the station. She remembered the turntable.

In the early sixties, I met Tom Riley (Rahilly) who was a retired engineer who had qualified in 1892. He, if I remember correctly, used the turntable. Same with Sylvester Doxsey.  Info: Art Huneke

Sylvester P. Doxsey  was one of the oldest and most highly thought of LIRR engineers. Top of the seniority roster at one time. If, I recall correctly, Jeff Skinner told me that Sylvester Doxsey was in the cab of the first train out to Montauk in 1895.

Eyewitness accounts are more trustworthy, especially when one of them was Sylvester P. Doxsey himself! The property line on the north side of the tracks in your map shows it curving northeastward a bit then stopping and then paralleling the track. That would seem like it allowed for a lead track to also curve northeastwards, following that slight arc and connecting with the turntable sitting in that enlarged area. No additional property shown north for a wye. 
Info: Dave Keller


MP 42 1925

Islip Station 1910 view east

Shelter view east c.1935
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MP 41-42 1958


 MP 42-43 1958
The first Main track was relocated further north on Winganhauppauge Creek feeding Brookwood Hall Lake to the current location just south of Moffitt Blvd. 1906


Islip Schematic 1958


MP 43-44 1958


1966


Monzet's Hotel built c. 1890s view NE 3/1980 Photo: Steven Lynch

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RS-3  #1554  Scoot
1969 Photo: J. P. Krzenski
Collection: Dave Keller

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Islip Ave (Route 111) view southeast Just east of station c. 1925 

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Colorized photo view by the
Kortens

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Islip Coal & Feed c. 1968 view SE
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Islip Coal & Feed c. 1968 view W
Photo: Steve Lynch


Islip Coal & Feed c. 1968  view S
Photo: Steve Lynch

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04/30/2008 Photo: Mike McDermet

Back years ago there was a husband and wife photographic team called the Kortens. They photographed all over LI and printed postcards that they sold. They were big on removing "unsightly" items from their postcard negatives by their skillful retouching of the images.

They retouched their images regularly, removing any form of unwanted stuff . . . even people, but telephone/telegraph poles were one of their specialties. Colorized postcards were very big in the 1920s and 30s. They are still very popular among collectors. Research: Dave Keller

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LIRR #1520 westbound 
Photo: Art Huneke

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Station - Summer 1963 view NE Archive: Art Huneke

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Old S.S.R.R. and LIRR single track ROW prior to 1906 location border of Islip/East Islip at Winganhauppauge Creek 
Info: Steve Lynch

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Ticket Coach Only Islip to Bay Shore  07/12/62 front Archive: Brad Phillips

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Ticket Coach Only Islip to Bay Shore  07/12/62 reverse
Archive: Brad Phillips

As late as July, 1962 (pictured above), the Islip ticket office was still using ROUND brass dater dies from the 19th century. Research: Dave Keller

This is blank ticket stock.  All ticket agencies had tickets with printed destinations as well as blank ticket stock. ALL were numbered for auditing purposes.  They also had a bunch of destination station rubber stamps.  If a ticket wished to be purchased to a station for which the ticket clerk had no printed tickets, a blank ticket was pulled from the case, was stamped with a destination station and then stamped on the back with the dater and dater die, validating the ticket.  

Sometimes tickets were purchased at a station for two totally different starting and destination points, not involving the purchase station, such as someone going to Patchogue and purchasing a ticket between  Islip and Babylon.  TWO rubber stamps would be used on that ticket, then validated with the dater die. 

Its officially referred to as a "half-fare" ticket and was used for years for children up to a certain age as well as clergy.  Years later, special ticket stock was printed that read "Clergy" on them and there was also yet another rubber stamp that said "clergy" that the clerk would stamp blank ticket stock, similar to Brad's ticket at Islip.  But children always got the Half Fare tickets.

 With that said, back around the turn of the century into the teens, there WERE mileage tickets sold on the LIRR but even then, nobody purchased 1/2 mile.  (Info courtesy of Dave Keller)  


Islip Schematic 1999
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Western Suffolk County Map 1941
Collection: East Islip Historical Society
Research: Ray Lembo Archivist/Trustee

Islip Station (north of tracks) 3/24/2003 Photo: D. Marra

MP 43 Just west of  Irish Lane 10-12-2001
Photo: Steve Lynch


Irish Lane view east 
Photo: Steve Lynch 10-12-2001


Westbound approaching
Irish Lane view east of  MP43
Photo: Steve Lynch 10-12-2001


Carlton Ave (ex-Rte. 111) view N.
Photo: Steve Lynch 10-12-2001

 

 


Irish Lane relay box  SE corner
Photo: Steve Lynch 10-12-2001

Islip Avenue, Joshua's Path, Wheeler Road, Town Line Road, Hauppauge Road

LOCATION: Islip (at NY 27A) to Smithtown (at NY 25 and NY 25A)

NOTES: For many years, NY 111 was the designation for Carleton Avenue between East Islip and Hauppauge, while CR 17 was assigned to Islip Avenue. The alignments for NY 111 and CR 17 were switched in 1972. Further north, NY 111 is multiplexed with CR 76 for one block along the Town Line Road segment in Hauppauge (near Hauppauge High School). In the mid-1960's, the NYSDPW proposed a four-lane divided arterial highway, partially on new alignment, for NY 111. Rights-of-way for this plan were obtained near the northern terminus in Smithtown, where the route was straightened (but never widened).

Source: State Roads on Long Island

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Historical Society of  Islip Hamlet Preservation Signpost
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2008 Photo: Mike McDermet
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Weather vane 06/07/2012 
Photo: Al Castelli
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Stanley R. Jones Ticket Clerk/Telegrapher Islip 02/1958
  (Stanley R. Jones collection, Dave Keller archive)
Stanley R. Jones, LIRR ticket clerk/telegrapher in white shirt and bow tie sending on his Vibroplex "Lightning Bug" key, with the telegraph sounder in the resonator at his ear - Islip station - February, 1958 just before his retirement. Stanley entered the roster of LIRR Telegraph Employees on May 2, 1919. In addition to the sounder being placed in the resonator to amplify the sound, it was typical old-style telegrapher fashion to insert a metal tobacco tin that was flattened and placed behind the sounder to make the "dots and dashes" even THAT much more audible. Notice the sign advertising Pullman accommodations . . . interline tickets were still being sold at this time.
Research: Dave Keller
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LIRR Railroader Issue 12/19/1963  Dedication new Islip Station
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Islip New Station Dedication Pass Honorary Station Master 12/07/63 Archive: Brad Phillips
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2006 Station view looking NW
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Islip view SE 06/07/2012 
Photo: Al Castelli
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Islip view W 06/07/2012 
Photo: Al Castelli
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LIRR #2004 Eastbound 11/23/63
Photo: Bradford Phillips
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Dedication of new Islip station 
12/07/1963 Photo: Bradford Phillips
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Goodfellow at dedication of new Islip station 12//07/1963
 Photo: Bradford Phillips


EMD F9A HEP #619 1990


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LIRR #516 Summer 2005

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Islip Pedestrian crossing warning bell c.2008 connects the north/south parking lots west of station  View N


2006 Station Clock Tower view looking North

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Clock Tower zoom 
Photo: Mike McDermet

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LI Railroader Vol. 8 No. 14 7/03/1963 page 2

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 STS Sign east of  Saxon Ave
View West 01/27/2008 
Photo: Mike McDermet

Speedometer test section sign, as per Special instructions 1038-A1 all STS are 1/2 mile in length and are located where speeds are 30 mph or greater; most are located near terminals. 

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 Saxon Ave Siding View West
01/27/2008 Photo: Mike McDermet
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Saxon Ave Switch View West
01/27/2008 Photo: Mike McDermet
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84 Lumber closed view W 6/01/2012 Photo: Al Castelli
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84 Lumber view SW 6/07/2012 
Photo: Al Castelli
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View SW towards Storage City  6/07/2012 Photo: Al Castelli
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PRIDE Equipment view NW 6/04/2013 Photo: John DeMarco
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LIRR DE #409 PRIDE Equipment view W 6/04/2013 Photo: John DeMarco
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84 Lumber mailbox View S 
6/07/2012 Photo: Al Castelli
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84 Lumber view SE 6/07/2012 
Photo: Al Castelli

 


Industries Along Moffitt Blvd, Islip Manor, NY  

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Walkin' the Tracks 

When the new Islip High School was opened in September 1966 I was 14 years old at the time. Located rather than in the center of town where the old high school was built prior to 1900, it was further west near the edge of Bay Shore/Islip line at Saxon Ave.; thus a longer walk home.

We would follow the path through the wooded area north of school and use the double LIRR tracks to go east across Grant Ave., Nassau Ave., and finally to Islip Ave. (Route 111). MP42-43

I was aware of the possible danger of the “silent” approach, thus was looking over my shoulder as I went. However, as the south track was more convenient, we used it not realizing the afternoon passenger commuters used this track for the eastbound trains.

I remember the wooden pedestrian track crossing by the station, which for safety reasons is no longer there. The present pedestrian crossing connecting the north and south parking lots is located at the warning bell further west of the station. IslipStation_PedXingBell_c.2008.jpg (29376 bytes)

 

 

 

I never noticed the engines/consists that went through as none were freight and passenger trains were of no interest anyway. I was a freight fan from the start (model “real” trains not passenger/commute look alike “junk” as I thought at the time. As the railroad modeling in HO bug hit me several years earlier at the age of 10 (1962) the possibilities of freight movement and the variety of types/loads appealed to me.

The south side siding was always a disappointment as the LIRR had stopped using the track just past the Islip Coal & Feed Bunker turnout. This siding led to the Junk Yard west of Grant Ave.

The early fifties had doomed this bunker to be obsolete as the post WW II switch to fuel oil was very quick to catch on. The bunker was razed c. 1969, but had been unused for many years. With the demise of the bunker all tracks turnouts/sidings were left intact, however with no activity.
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The north siding was not much better, if at all. The freight station had long been gone and a large Victorian house occupied the SW corner of Moffitt Blvd. and Railroad Ave. (Robert Emery map 5/1958) Nassau (Ave?) corner. Grinnell Lithograph used the siding as a team track as evidenced with a truck path through the brush to this track. They were located N across the ROW on Moffitt Blvd.

This siding continued east of Railroad Ave. with an “S: curve to Bayslip Lumber (with the boxcar freight loading door evident) near Islip Ave.  I never saw any freight at that spot. 

With the building of 84 Lumber on the team track the N siding became active after 1969+. 84 lumber is closed 2012.
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After a while tank/boxcars also became evident further east on the old siding east of Railroad Ave (later renamed Nassau AVe.) used as a team track for Velspar. Still in use at this writing. 8/2012

From MP41-42: East of Saxon Ave and south of the LIRR original main the south siding west of the coal bunker had a new turnout installed for Inspected Transit Mix Co., the cement elevator and siding installed 1957. Abandoned: ?

Information concerning the Historical Society of Islip Hamlet,   www.isliphamlethistory.org